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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.01 11:13:00 -
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The timing is amusing.
They waited 4 or 5 days for as many highsec grinders as possible to commit to Nestor blueprints before announcing the change :D
I notice some people have multiple Nestor for sale they are probably furious :D
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.05 01:18:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:The Nestor is probably the worst pirate faction battleship available and as such CCP need to do whatever they can to bring the price down to around 500 million isk.
Well to be fair the Rattlesnake is worse ... but they sell for 400 mill if you shop around. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.24 01:14:00 -
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Itago Gemulus wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Itago Gemulus wrote:So we agree its doable. Therfor the Nestor have a role it fullfill better than any other battleship in the game. A lot of things in EVE are "doable". Feasible and prudent (considering it's a $1.6-billion hull at present) are another thing entirely. Considering we are posting in s thread about new ways to get the ship, that means price will be regulated by supply/demand and not by SoE LP price. If we can agree that there are roles this thing does better than other ships, and we know that this role have been used before with less effective ships, its only a matter of time before it get cheap enough to use
There is a bit of an obsession in this thread with the Nestor which is arguably a lameduck regardless of price
What is more interesting is the potential effect on the Astero and Statios, ships which do see considerable current use. I know of people that regularly do losec roams in Astero gangs with considerable success. Their Astero loss to ships killed ratio is quite good and they often take on much larger ships including T3s. I am also aware of groups that use the Astero as their primary tackle boat who claim they rarely lose one. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
298
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Posted - 2014.02.24 23:10:00 -
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People seem rather obsessed with the Nestor.
TBH what the original concept should have contained was something unique and suited to the solo support role of the SOE ships. The RR fits but is not unique.
possibly UNIQUE things like: - the fitting bay mentioned above but maybe restricted to just the Astero - an inbuilt ability to refit similar to that of a Mobile Depot but without needing to deploy, possibly even usable cloaked - the ability to self repair with its RR and repair drones - role bonuses to repair drones including the new hull repair variety
Note those are just examples of the TYPE of thing that would have worked, I am not endorsing those specific suggestions as particularly good ones. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.26 02:52:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Want to make the Nestor better but not overpowered, more versatile but not to take away from other ships in class, worth the high price but not over price it, Make it Unique (good advertising for new players, good for existing players)
My thoughts;
Fitting bonus for Drone Control Units (maximum 3)
Bonuses; Gallente Battleship; per level Can fit 1 Drone Control unit per level once level 3 is reached (level 5 allows 3 DCU) 7.5% to Drone Damage and Hitpoints per level
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hmm ... 8 drones per sub-cap is sure going to help with server load in big fleet battles even with the recent nerf to drone assist :D
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
361
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:12:00 -
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A high damage "two heavy drone" battleship will likely fail as: - heavies even with high DPS, high HP and a speed boost are still only suited to brawling - you lose the various salvager/ewar etc options limiting your ship fit
Aside from which, if you want an interesting brawler with drones and 50 m3 bandwidth you are better off boosting the light and mediums. A battleshipship that can field 5 light drones with 300% damage and HP suddenly looks interesting.
Suggestion:
For a brawler ship, consider applying the 300% bonus to all drones but limiting the bandwidth to 50m3. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:16:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Quote:CCP Rise; but for now just look at the Worm and let us know if it seems fun and we'll go from there. This didn't work out well for RLML, what about past efforts gives hope it will for the Gila and Snake?
The evil Santa thing of giving away overpowered toys and then taking them back a month later may be Icelandic tradition or something but it does not make for happy capsuleers.
New players in particular may well dedicate their first 6 months training for something that gets nerfed just as they finally can fly it.
Please try and avoid the "release something that is OP then later nerf it to obscurity" cycle.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.05 23:10:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:So when are these kicking in? The Nestor is still hovering around $1.5-billion...
Don't expect any rapid change in price. The announcement has probably effectively killed Nestor production from SOE BPCs (Astero and Stratios give same returns and turnover quickly so less risk of getting "caught" with those if the price drops).
The initial contract price for "found" Nestor BPC is likely to float just under the SOE cost for a while until supply of the cheaper ones puts a downward pressure on the market. Even if people sell the BPC relatively cheaply, experienced manufacturers are unlikely to massive undercut the current stable price.
Its a relatively "shallow" market though so price changes will occur, just not the first week. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:08:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Silivar Karkun wrote:may i remind you people that we have a thread for discussion about the (awful) propositions of CCP Rise for pirate faction ships in this subforum, this thread must be about the SoE ships...... Nestor prices actually went up, so I see this is working as intended.
Probably becasue they buffed the Nestor quite a bit in 1.3, more cap for RR and doubled the RR range.
Astero prices dropped about 20% as patch day approached. |
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